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Kyle Star's avatar

Good post, absolutely true. I will say with this:

Tortures over Pinpricks: A world of billions of horrific tortures is preferable to a world of n mild, barely noticeable pinpricks.

This is just the dust specks vs torture debate, and I am firmly on the side that the torture is the more moral option. So as someone who accepts the repugnant conclusion, I think your version is actually weaker because your version doesn’t rely on the fact that creating barely net good lives is always good.

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Steffee's avatar

Note that the Repugnant Conclusion and Spectrum Argument apply to utility functions that try to add up a total amount of happiness. They don't apply to functions that just take an average of happiness. The post kind of just assumes we're talking about the former, but I think this is an important assumption to note!

Of course, we want to say more happy people is better than fewer happy people. A simple function you could choose is, "Pick the universe with the higher average happiness; if absolutely equal, then pick the one with more people." Of course, this immediately runs into its own weird Conclusion: A single super happy person would be picked over a universe full of billions of very happy people.

The natural next thing to try is combining the two measures, say, by calculating the worth of a universe by multiplying its average happiness by its total happiness to create a sort of custom happiness score (which will need extra tweaks to consider negative values, ie suffering, and other things we might care about, like just desserts, or qualities like "fulfillment" instead of "happiness").

My question: Does the Spectrum Argument still work on the simple multiplication function?

(If the answer to this isn't already known, I plan on exploring some examples and attempting a proof, one way or the other, when I find the time.)

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